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be normal

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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine Concepts events or

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers few preconceptions snark when

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Justified no belief no debunking today

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we're going to be talking about a woman

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named Laura Mundo whom we first

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encountered way back in 2017 in an

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episode about FBI interest in the

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Detroit Flying Saucer Club Laura was

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part of the Detroit area Flying Saucer

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scene back in the 1950s and 60s into the

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70s and 80s before her death in 1989 and

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she was responsible for promoting

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lectures and Talks by George damski

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George hunt Williamson I think George

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Van Tassel and a number of other

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prominent contactees of the time not all

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of them named George today we're going

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to be looking at her 1963 book flying

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saucers and the father's plan which was

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published by gray Barker's cesarean

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press

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we go into Laura Mundo's background and

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activities in the 1950s in a bit of

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detail in our episode and then the feds

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showed up which is linked in the show

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notes if you haven't listened to that

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very early saucer Life episode

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um go ahead and do that it's uh it's a

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good one it's probably one of my

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favorites that we've ever done and uh

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please forgive the fact that it is an

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early saucer Life episode

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so

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Laura Mundo was born in 1913 in Boston I

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believe and eventually ended up in

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Detroit she was involved in a number of

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Community Theater groups and she was one

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of the principal characters on a very

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early children's television show in 1950

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51-52 thereabouts in Detroit it lasted a

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year and I found this interesting just

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I think it was called play school and it

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preschool-aged kids show to pick up and

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preschool-aged children and that one

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network rather than the Detroit one

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um not because it was necessarily better

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but because with network broadcasting

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facilities it was easier to Nationwide

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broadcast something that was produced in

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Detroit or in Chicago rather than

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Detroit which is a little sad I think so

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um Laura got divorced in 1950 from her

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husband Otto markser so she goes into

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the 50s as a a 37 year old single mom

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which is in Suburban Detroit

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A friend gave her a copy of the at that

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time new in 1953 book flying saucers

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have landed by Desmond Leslie and George

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large groups to talk to her club or

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organization whichever it was at the

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will be forever which brings us to the

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real Focus for today her book flying

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saucers and the father's plan this is a

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of reproduction rather than being

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the the contents are you know faithful

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to what Laura um published although what

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Laura published is not necessarily what

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gray Barker cesarean press as I noted

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George adamski who opened the way into

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outer space for me and to my co-workers

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opening the door that's how she says

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his message of love and Universal peace

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publisher refrain from correcting any

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long-term no due date and no interest

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charge loan so she's introducing the

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parentage that could uh neither read nor

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education Carmella did not finish

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grammar school she honestly doesn't seem

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she doesn't have an education she's not

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you know super sophisticated her parents

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Catholicism so she has no background and

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in metaphysics and she's never seen a

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flying saucer so so what's Carmella got

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going for here she's she's got no money

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telling us all this she's telling us all

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a sense that if Carmella can understand

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um again I don't think that's how Laura

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really kind of how it comes across to me

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family disapproval such as the open

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and care of an aging mother who

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sisters some opposed some allowed she

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happy to provide the preface and in this

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preface Carmela says the contents of the

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mind not for the gullible at large who

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follow blindly without question so this

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is only for critical thinkers realistic

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people it's not for gullible suckers

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who may read this book and draw upon an

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immediate conclusion that it's basically

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unsound due to the lack of tangible

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unable to supply them with such proof to

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back up her understanding in which she

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is passing on free of charge

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give you proof it's that she is unable

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to give you proof so we go from this

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gullible people too Skeptics may say

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this book isn't that great because

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there's a complete lack of tangible

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proof but hey she would give you the

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proof if she could not a great start if

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you're trying to convince uh serious

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realistic people that what they're about

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to read is valuable for our purposes

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goofy reasoning of contacties not just

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contact these all UFO people at some

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point or other it's actually pretty good

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for our purposes Carmella then sort of

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standard bit of contactee social

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the atomic age has increased the anxiety

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within mankind with knowing the

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probability one day of facing

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problem of rumors of War confront them

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daily as new crises develop on our

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planet he accepts the former possibility

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a consequence needless to say this

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trained line of thought could eventually

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lead Earth men to his Earthly

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destruction as he maintains this sort of

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negative attitude

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for the remainder of the preface Carmela

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basically talks about how we need to

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heed the words of the visitors we need

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to welcome them and that Laura has the

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right idea about what's going on

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with all of this and it's interesting

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this preface is honestly riddled with

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some pretty basic

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grammatical errors and I don't know I I

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know that Laura instructed gray that you

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know that nothing should be touched in

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the preface because the meaning might be

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changed but with her own emphasis on

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Carmella's lack of Education I kind of

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wonder if not correcting any grammar is

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a way to highlight that I don't know

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that makes no sense but I don't know

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it's contact e stuff Aaron none of it

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makes sense now we get into the bulk of

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the book itself with the table of

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contents revealing some interesting

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chapter titles chapter two is I see the

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saucers followed by a winnowing out my

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meeting with orthon I meet Satan and

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then the last chapter for advanced

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thinkers only so I suppose I could

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probably skip that chapter this first

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chapter is called the father's plan and

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she's happy to pass on her experiences

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and connections with flying saucers and

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to reveal the understanding she's

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received from meeting the space people

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and she says what is the Father's plan

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in a nutshell as the visitors have

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expressed it to me well this is what she

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Christianity is taught unaware that

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other religions have also done so that

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we must be redeemed it has not been able

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to quite tell us why or from what it has

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not been able to tell us who we are as

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Christians we have considered ourselves

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as an organization of the elect who as

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an organization are primarily concerned

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with unionizing ourselves against going

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to hell

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I don't know I think Christianity over

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the last couple Millennia has been

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pretty clear about what Humanity needed

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to be redeemed from and why it all goes

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back to the notion of original sin and

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needing to be redeemed from in the

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phrase that shows up in various

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documents over the years sin death and

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the power of the devil

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um yeah it's it's actually pretty clear

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but she says that the the visitors also

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seek to redeem us she says quote but

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they are able to tell us why and from

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what well what is what is the deal well

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the deal is we were all she says demoted

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from this planet from more advanced

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planets within our Island Universe of 12

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solar systems this planet being the

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lowest in vibration and therefore

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civilization but despite flunking Us in

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her words the visitors have never

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abandoned humanity and they are trying

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to help Humanity start the climb back up

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all over again so

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we have been separated from the goodness

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of the visitors through our own flaws

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here on this planet we've been demoted

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to and they are trying to redeem us to

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bring us back up to a state of grace

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gosh I've heard some religions talk

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about that before and if I sound snarky

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it's because

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while Laura has a lot of really good

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qualities and and things about her I

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really like she also gives off the

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impression that she is just the smartest

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person in any room she's in and anybody

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who disagrees with her is clearly just

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somebody who doesn't understand or is

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trying to undermine her in some way and

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and she gets a little

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a little bit like that over overall and

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then when she sort of explains what

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she's talking about you realize that in

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a lot of ways the same sort of thing

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other contactees have been saying all

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along she continues this idea however a

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little bit further

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we literally did fall from Paradise the

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original people were brought down by

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spaceship those following arriving

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through rebirth reborn over and over on

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this planet improving during some

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lifetimes throwing away others and

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slipping downward again

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at first the visitors openly gave their

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help to the Ancients but later they

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found it necessary to withdraw as Earth

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Man became too diabolically clever and

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resented their help or became Pious and

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began to worship the visitors as being

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gods rather than trying to improve

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so how are the visitors actually going

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to help us overcome this if they've

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left us alone because we were too

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clever for them or we worshiped them or

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we were diabolical they've come back now

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so what are they going to do for us

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the purpose of the coming of the

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visitors is to help us to isolate or

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become aware of our human and soul minds

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or negative and positive polarities or

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thinking energies of our conscious minds

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and the third less active neutral

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polarity or father mind in and as part

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of our conscious mind and to merge these

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before it is too late as the tensions

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mount on this planet and Atmospheric

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vibrations increase and even this

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aggravated by continuing Atomic tests

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this awareness and development we must

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accomplish before we can even begin to

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establish a more Godlike Society on this

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planet let alone go and visit their

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planets

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[Music]

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so in a sense it's about our behavior

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and our actions but

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really there's a lot of talk throughout

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this book about this positive and

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negative and neutral energy and the

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father mind and balancing all of these

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forces within us and it's this balancing

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that will enable us to accomplish what

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we need to accomplish to become a

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peaceful productive Society

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as the the space visitors would like us

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to be

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chapter two I see the saucers gets into

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Laura Mundo's

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connections with George damski and the

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Flying Saucer scene in 1953 she gets a

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copy of the book flying sauces have

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landed begins networking with other

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Flying Saucer Believers in the Detroit

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area and is persuaded to be part of a

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group that is going to invite adamski to

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Detroit

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to lecture and she's the one who handles

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all the promotion and publicity for this

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and this happens the first visit to

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Detroit happens in March of 1954 and

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Laura reports that adamsky spoke to over

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4 000 people at that time and as the

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months go on this Flying Saucer work

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becomes more and more important to her

442
00:19:50,270 --> 00:19:48,059
daily life

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when my TV show went off the air the

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following September I knew that I must

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devote my full time to the work with no

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remuneration except from those who wish

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to share the expenses of Distributing

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the material

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but this had some consequences she says

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before long she lost her home her car

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jewelry life insurance her otherworldly

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possessions she had to you know keep

453
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doing this work and keep doing other

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work but if she's doing this for no

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remuner remuneration remuneration

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um she doesn't seem to put together that

457
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you know unlimited Financial opportunity

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right you're supposed to be making money

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at the saucer thing especially well

460
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maybe not making money at the saucer

461
00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:34,799
thing but good grief you shouldn't be

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losing your car and on the verge of

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losing your home or whatever we'll see

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more evidence of this later but she

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really did throw herself into this

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saucer thing headlong she's writing to

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Wright-Patterson Airfield in Dayton

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because she'd heard rumors that they

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were investigating flying saucers and

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that they told her that um they were

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they were they were they were working on

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it they were had a serious UFO program

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going on which we know now is uh is Blue

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Book and there were other official

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agencies getting in touch with her as

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well

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in April of 1958 an agency in Washington

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DC wrote me saying they were aware of my

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saucer group activities and asking my

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opinions of such groups they hoped that

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someone from that department would soon

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have the pleasure of speaking with you

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personally which incidentally never

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developed in the meantime however my

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reply would be kept entirely

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confidential as it is not our policy to

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discredit anyone consequently I consider

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that I have continued my saucer research

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with the knowledge if not official

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approval of the government

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because of this information here given

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many human-minded saucer researchers may

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consider me to be a spy for the

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government while if I had not contacted

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them many would probably say I was

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against the government neither of which

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of course is correct

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see Bill Moore wasn't the first of these

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people to be you know collaborating with

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the government or getting approval from

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the government for their for their

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activities but she is I think it's it's

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very very true she says that if she no

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matter what she did with regard to these

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government contacts that she supposedly

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had she would be condemned either way by

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one group or another before long she

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wasn't just promoting adamsky's lectures

509
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in Detroit she was promoting lectures by

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Desmond Leslie and they brought Donald

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Kehoe in and Edward rupelt of Project

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Blue Book and some other people that we

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have heard about on the show

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another man who we now miss greatly was

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brought to Detroit to lecture he was Dr

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Morris K Jessup an astronomer and author

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of three published books on flying

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saucers he came back many times to see

519
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us on his last visit however we were

520
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sorry to recognize an icky feeling which

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had come into His aura or vibrations

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evidence that energies of lesser

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vibration were pulling down his own as

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it can when one is weary or inviting

525
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them in by concentrating upon them he

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00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,880
admitted that he had been experimenting

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in psychism as part of his saucer

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research and that he was an admirer of a

529
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Penske the Russian mathematician Mystic

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who did likewise only to report on them

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this is a prime example and one of the

532
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first examples in the book of

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we get the impression very clearly that

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Mundo is not in support of any kind of

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psychic connection or psychic

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communication with the visitors she she

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constantly condemns this it's a bad

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thing it leads to bad things and you

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cannot trust what people who say they

540
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have a psychic connection to these

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groups have she is

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pretty stringent on that on that point

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there are other people who came to

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Detroit to lecture that she promoted as

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well who were not nearly as icky as

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Morris K Jessup became

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Buck Nelson a Missouri farmer was one of

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our most interesting lecturers in 1956.

549
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flying saucers had come down on his farm

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and buckets spent a great deal of time

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with the visitors in fact he claimed

552
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:18,480
they even took him and his dog on a

553
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:20,700
saucer ride to the Moon Mars and Venus

554
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:22,980
on the return trip they brought a dog

555
00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:26,100
with them from Venus later Buck began to

556
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:27,780
try to contact The Visitors by radio

557
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,419
against which they have warned us I have

558
00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:32,400
myself received radio messages from the

559
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:34,620
visitors into which I will go later

560
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,780
mental contact began to develop in his

561
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:38,880
mind and his research took a turn toward

562
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:40,919
the mystical and became in my mind

563
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,360
questionable

564
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:44,159
the last reports had it that the

565
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,020
government had contacted him and was

566
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,520
setting aside a certain amount of money

567
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:49,200
for Research into a group that buck

568
00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:51,659
might gather around him it was said that

569
00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:53,159
the race with the Russians for the moon

570
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:55,320
had grown so desperate that even the

571
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,100
ideas of crackpots were being considered

572
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:01,919
okay so a number of things going on

573
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:04,440
there you remember Buck Nelson we did an

574
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:07,559
episode on him and his space dog Beau

575
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:12,780
back uh several years ago 2018 maybe but

576
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:15,059
uh what's interesting is is yes what's

577
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:17,460
interesting is is the the talk that the

578
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,380
government had started throwing money at

579
00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:21,780
Buck Nelson to put together a think tank

580
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,280
to get us to the Moon ahead of the

581
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,720
Russians that's

582
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,120
that that might be the the single

583
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:29,940
silliest thing I've encountered in a

584
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:32,340
long time uh while working on this

585
00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:34,140
program but the other thing I thought

586
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,779
was interesting here is she's she says

587
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:38,640
you know radio contact with the aliens

588
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:40,260
you know the aliens have told us do not

589
00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,900
do that next sentence she says I mean

590
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:44,279
I've done it which I'll tell you about

591
00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:46,260
later so again there's there's she's

592
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,940
this she's smarter than everybody else

593
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:49,740
and things that other people aren't

594
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:52,440
supposed to do it's okay if she does

595
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:55,740
them uh this this becomes kind of a kind

596
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:58,140
of a recurring thing so

597
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,039
in addition to to running these uh these

598
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:04,440
these shows these these lectures

599
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,080
Laura Mundo and her Associates have also

600
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:09,840
had their own uh their own experiences

601
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:12,419
and one sighting she had which was

602
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:15,059
really interesting took place in the

603
00:26:22,930 --> 00:26:20,159
summer of 1954 in Port Huron Michigan

604
00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:22,940
on the afternoon of Sunday September 7

605
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,620
1954 the individuals who have signed

606
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:27,120
their names below saw the following

607
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,159
unidentified flying object

608
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:31,679
it was a cloudless blue sky a slight

609
00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:33,900
wind blowing from the north suddenly

610
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:35,940
into this cloudless Sky came a huge

611
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:38,520
Cloud definitely cigar shape and Contour

612
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,679
the size of a city block and about two

613
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:43,080
or three Building stories high it was

614
00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:45,299
traveling rapidly into the wind about

615
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:48,299
300 feet above the Treetops came from

616
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,620
our left as we were sitting in the

617
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:51,419
backyard in the sunshine and stopped

618
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:53,220
just in front of us not a half mile away

619
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:55,860
as though it had put on breaks

620
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:57,960
outside of its rapid travel and sudden

621
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,419
stopping our eyes were drawn to the

622
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:02,220
obvious rapid disintegration of the

623
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,659
cloud-like vapor

624
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:06,059
as we watched within half a minute two

625
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:07,620
saucers suddenly dropped out of the

626
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:09,659
front of the vaporlike cloud which

627
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:11,220
incidentally still maintained its

628
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:14,039
outline of a cigar shape the saucers

629
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,260
were cylindrical silver and a little

630
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:18,720
larger than an automobile they dropped

631
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:21,240
directly down a hundred feet or so one

632
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:23,100
after the other as though playing tag

633
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:25,740
and then shot right back up and then

634
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,659
down and several times as though they

635
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,580
were chasing each other their motion was

636
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:31,679
too rapid to allow for distinguishing of

637
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,860
detail after a minute or a minute and a

638
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,779
half's activity they shot down over the

639
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,940
Treetops and disappeared the cloud

640
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,320
however still keeping its original

641
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,140
outline had been disintegrating still as

642
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,600
rapidly all this time and by the time

643
00:27:49,610 --> 00:27:47,520
the saucers disappeared it had

644
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:49,620
completely disintegrated too then

645
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:51,720
suddenly a spurt of vapor shot back out

646
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:54,360
again and it too then disintegrated all

647
00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:55,860
this happened within two minutes time

648
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:03,049
wow I mean that that one that sounds

649
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,860
cool at first when I was reading it I

650
00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:06,480
was thinking oh my gosh are they going

651
00:28:12,409 --> 00:28:09,960
to say this cloud of vapor is the UFO

652
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,419
because I remember reading in some UFO

653
00:28:16,909 --> 00:28:14,159
magazines which may or may not have been

654
00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:16,919
the actual UFO magazine back in the day

655
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:18,779
I remember seeing lots and lots of

656
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:21,659
pictures of what were clearly just

657
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:26,640
clouds labeled as mother ships so I was

658
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:28,919
I was really excited in this report when

659
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,400
actual sort of saucers came out there

660
00:28:38,269 --> 00:28:35,279
was another sighting or encounter rather

661
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:38,279
that took place also in 1954 this one in

662
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,480
November of 1954 in the Detroit area and

663
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:44,880
it is outstanding

664
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:47,640
I Lawrence Cardenas on the morning of

665
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:51,179
September 30th 1954 about 5 30 a.m was

666
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:52,740
on my way to work as Steward of the

667
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:55,140
Dearborn Inn traveling west on rotunda

668
00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:57,419
Road Dearborn Michigan I had passed the

669
00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:59,460
traffic light at Greenfield Road and saw

670
00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:01,320
that the light at Southfield Road Ahead

671
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:03,659
had just changed to Red I slowed down

672
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:05,940
and paced myself at 30 miles an hour in

673
00:29:09,649 --> 00:29:07,559
order not to have to stop at Southfield

674
00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:09,659
I State this to show that I was not

675
00:29:12,890 --> 00:29:11,159
traveling too fast

676
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,900
about one third of a mile from the

677
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:14,820
Southfield intersection my eye was

678
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,679
suddenly drawn to a large vacant field

679
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,440
to a massive brilliant color the color

680
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:21,120
was coming from an object that I would

681
00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:23,159
call a flying saucer about 10 feet high

682
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,559
tapering down to the edges portholes

683
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:26,640
were visible

684
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:28,740
Dawn was just breaking in my car lights

685
00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:30,779
picked up almost at the same time near

686
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:33,779
the road a group of about 15 little men

687
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:36,299
between four and five feet high standing

688
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:38,520
together grouped around a taller man and

689
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:40,860
a brown uniform trimmed with gold the

690
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:42,600
little men were clad and greenish gray

691
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,000
uniforms had tight-fitting skull caps

692
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:47,039
with pointed beaks on their front an

693
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:49,020
antenna they had on goggles and

694
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:51,299
breathing apparatus and I could not see

695
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:53,220
their faces but their hands were moving

696
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:55,500
as ours do when we were gesturing while

697
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:56,340
talking

698
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:58,200
some of them turned to watch me as I

699
00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:00,120
passed but there was nothing hostile in

700
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:02,340
their manner I was past the scene before

701
00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:04,380
I realized that what I had seen was a

702
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,600
flying saucer and its occupants I

703
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,880
hesitated about going back only because

704
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:10,620
I was late to work and would have had

705
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:12,360
some difficulty explaining why I was

706
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,840
further held up I had no feeling of fear

707
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,000
the men themselves seemed to be on a

708
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:19,919
friendly investigation since the saucer

709
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:21,779
had landed near an area where a road was

710
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,360
being built and near a derrick crane and

711
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:26,399
other apparatus

712
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,500
my big question with this encounter is

713
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:30,600
the antenna now are the antenna attached

714
00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:33,299
to the helmets or are the antenna part

715
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,580
of their heads and there was like a sort

716
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:37,919
of antenna-shaped protrusion from the

717
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:41,360
helmet to protect their natural

718
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,520
antenna and yeah I don't know that's

719
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,919
that's an interesting and interesting

720
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:49,200
question also I haven't looked at a map

721
00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:51,059
but I would love to pinpoint exactly

722
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:52,980
where this happened and go down there

723
00:30:57,769 --> 00:30:55,500
although I I halfway suspect that

724
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:57,779
interstates might have changed a lot of

725
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,779
this since 1954. okay this is a good

726
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,360
point at which to take our usual break

727
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:06,720
and when we come back we will see some

728
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:10,380
of Laura Mundo's conflicts with others

729
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,500
in the Flying Saucer scene back in the

730
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:15,360
1950s

731
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:23,750
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732
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:25,860
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733
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734
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,559
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735
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:32,580
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736
00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:34,620
everybody else by at least a few days

737
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:36,539
and there's a few chunks of bonus

738
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,020
content every month uh this month in

739
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:42,240
March if you're listening live we are

740
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:43,279
going to be

741
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:46,980
watching the uh the classic mid-80s

742
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:50,640
movie Euphoria with the late Cindy

743
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:53,159
Williams that's going to be fun

744
00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:55,140
um there's uh there's a bonus episode

745
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:57,179
that I I think is actually going to be

746
00:32:03,049 --> 00:32:00,480
more Laura Mundo I I'm on a real Laura

747
00:32:05,529 --> 00:32:03,059
Mundo kick these days so you can check

748
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,539
that out at

749
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:07,919
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750
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,500
the show notes you can also check out

751
00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:13,020
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752
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,419
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753
00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:17,279
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754
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:19,700
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755
00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:23,399
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756
00:32:29,409 --> 00:32:27,059
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757
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:29,419
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758
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:34,320
480 and we had some feedback to our last

759
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:37,740
episode about UFO magazine that first

760
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,039
issue of sorry sorry California UFO

761
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,860
magazine Matthew says great episode as

762
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:45,840
usual Zine scenes are always a favorite

763
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,539
of mine in the mid 90s I worked in one

764
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,159
of the last remaining newsstands in my

765
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:52,320
part of Upstate New York I don't recall

766
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:54,120
a lot of shelf space for UFOs or

767
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:56,279
Paranormal Activity any space not

768
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:58,380
occupied by respectable magazines was

769
00:33:02,590 --> 00:33:00,659
reserved was reserved for more shall we

770
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:02,600
say

771
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:05,340
9760-9760 content lastly I was

772
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:07,380
disappointed Dr Winifred Cutler hadn't

773
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:10,140
placed an ad in the inaugural issue 1986

774
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:11,640
was read around the time she started

775
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:13,740
Hawking pheromones and I feel like an

776
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:16,200
opportunity was missed if I'm honest yes

777
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,640
I remember

778
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:19,440
um in high school in various magazines

779
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,380
seeing Dr Winifred Cutler

780
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:24,960
um you know sort of selling these sort

781
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,659
of pheromones to attract uh to attract I

782
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:29,580
think was it just the opposite sex

783
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,559
didn't matter what you were looking for

784
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:33,600
in someone it would just attract the

785
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:35,159
opposite of whatever you were which

786
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:36,539
leaves out a chunk of the population

787
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,039
honestly but um yeah it's a um Those ads

788
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,559
were those ads were great uh over on the

789
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:45,480
patreon Laura said she she can't get

790
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:47,700
over the therapist for aliens adjusting

791
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:50,880
to Earth this Zine was everything almost

792
00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:53,820
everything I love about UFO lore and

793
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:57,539
also on the patreon uh Caleb Echoes my

794
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:00,539
feelings about books being long long

795
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:03,059
books are are long he says in order to

796
00:34:06,889 --> 00:34:04,860
avoid reading books I'll listen to a

797
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,899
banal interview I've recently gone back

798
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,359
and listened to his interviews from 2005

799
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:11,760
and boy talk about some things change

800
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:15,480
and most stay the same yes been all of

801
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:17,700
America a friend of the show Tim banal's

802
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:22,020
groundbreaking UFO podcast uh he he been

803
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,619
all talked to just about everybody who

804
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:27,780
was worth talking to right from the very

805
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:31,859
beginning and and continues to as well

806
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,639
always keep your eye on Tim Bernal all

807
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:37,619
right another person to keep your eye on

808
00:34:47,550 --> 00:34:41,580
is Laura Mundo so let's get back to her

809
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:50,930
[Music]

810
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:54,540
a winnowing out this is an interesting

811
00:35:02,530 --> 00:34:57,780
chapter because we start to get a little

812
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:02,540
deeper into some of Mundo's

813
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:05,700
conflicts and points of contention with

814
00:35:11,170 --> 00:35:09,660
other saucer folks and we also get more

815
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:11,180
of her own

816
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:14,280
experiences and she starts off this

817
00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:16,680
chapter by talking about how in March of

818
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,859
1957 they were going to do a big Detroit

819
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:22,020
saucer convention that their

820
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:23,700
organization was going to host and would

821
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:27,240
be joined by other Detroit groups that

822
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:30,720
had broken off from theirs the reasons

823
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:33,000
for breaking off were were interesting

824
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:36,540
she said some had become very in in

825
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:39,780
quotes objective in their salsa research

826
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:41,460
which and she said later they died out

827
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:43,800
of boredom and then other groups had had

828
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,380
tended toward the the psychism the

829
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:49,140
psychic connections so she positions

830
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,060
herself sort of in the middle of the

831
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,320
spectrum between the the overly

832
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:57,119
objective maybe skeptical folks on one

833
00:36:03,170 --> 00:35:59,820
end and the people receiving psychic

834
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,180
transmissions on the other but at this

835
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:05,339
at this convention

836
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,740
somebody showed up who was very

837
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:09,599
interesting

838
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,579
a young man who came to the delegation

839
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:13,680
meeting showed me as they can that he

840
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:15,900
was a visitor later about two in the

841
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:17,940
morning I recognized his voice although

842
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:19,800
he was trying to disguise it when he

843
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:21,540
called me on the phone anonymously

844
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,180
identifying himself as representing the

845
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:26,760
silence Group which had at the time been

846
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:29,220
reported as going about silencing saucer

847
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,380
researchers he told me that I'd better

848
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,359
get out of flying saucer research at

849
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:35,640
once because I had come too close to the

850
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,480
truth

851
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:38,940
my soul mind told me at once he was a

852
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:40,740
visitor through whom the father must

853
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:42,839
discover now who can be frightened out

854
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,130
I think this might be the most unique

855
00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:52,320
explanation for a man in black or

856
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,320
silence group encounter that I've ever

857
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,540
heard they weren't really telling me to

858
00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:59,400
get out of salsa research they were

859
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,900
testing me to see if I could be

860
00:37:07,089 --> 00:37:02,640
frightened into getting out of saucer

861
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:07,099
research basically testing my loyalty to

862
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:10,440
spreading the good news of the space

863
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:13,320
brothers that's that's actually pretty

864
00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:16,140
interesting also interesting is the fact

865
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:19,640
that before she had even knew about

866
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:24,960
UFOs or gotten into the saucer research

867
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:31,020
area Laura had an encounter well uh an

868
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:32,280
experience I think that's probably the

869
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:35,160
better way to put it an experience that

870
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:37,260
began to open her mind up to

871
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:42,060
possibilities she was not expecting

872
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:43,980
about a month before the saucer field

873
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:46,140
opened up to me I was weeping one day

874
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:47,940
while going about the house doing my

875
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:49,800
housework I was concerned with

876
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,480
difficulties in my own personal life

877
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,460
that seemed to make no sense and about

878
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:55,380
having to take steps within it I did not

879
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:56,460
want to take

880
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,220
suddenly I heard my own voice only more

881
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:01,200
beautiful than my real voice my soul

882
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:04,200
self speak crossly with me telling me to

883
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,660
be patient then beautiful music and a

884
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:08,520
chorus of indescribable male and female

885
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:11,339
voices singing Jesus Lover of My Soul

886
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,579
weld in behind and up over my head then

887
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:16,680
silent understanding came as though

888
00:38:21,710 --> 00:38:18,900
climbing a spiraling frequency up over

889
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:21,720
my head my conscious mind had been able

890
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:23,700
to contact the even higher balanced

891
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:26,220
father frequency of my own mind not some

892
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,380
great master or spirit being or visitors

893
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,900
many salsa researchers having such an

894
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:32,700
experience would probably an error

895
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:34,740
believe they were contacting either or

896
00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:37,320
both this can happen after an individual

897
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:39,960
has meditated too much precipitating too

898
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,940
many positive energies refining the

899
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,040
physical body to where it no longer is

900
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:46,560
proper insulation and where the soul

901
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,540
mind cannot stand the atmospheric

902
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,060
pressures the Roman Church knowing of

903
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,160
this mental development has adopted it

904
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:55,680
by symbology and marrying their nuns to

905
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:56,420
the church

906
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:01,020
[Music]

907
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:03,240
just an aside I have to acknowledge that

908
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:05,820
that was not a chorus of male and female

909
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,280
voices singing Jesus Lover of My Soul

910
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:10,980
because I like this version better this

911
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:14,040
was Maddie Pryor and the carnival band

912
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:17,940
from their album of the works of Charles

913
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:20,700
Wesley which I didn't know was a thing

914
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:24,720
that 70s folk rock people did in their

915
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:26,280
later years but

916
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,820
um I I approve so she's having these

917
00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:32,160
sort of encounters or experiences before

918
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:34,440
she gets into saucer research and very

919
00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:37,140
quickly after she encounters

920
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:39,060
um the field of the saucers reads

921
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:41,099
adamsky's book gets involved with these

922
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,200
people the visitors visit her in person

923
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,480
a month after I got into salsa research

924
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,660
February 1954 while promoting adamsky's

925
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,760
lecture the visitors came over my home

926
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:55,740
in their saucers and sent a beam of

927
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:57,660
neutronic energy of the father frequency

928
00:40:02,210 --> 00:40:00,420
to my brain reactivating brain cells

929
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:02,220
that have been put to sleep so to speak

930
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:04,920
when I also had been demoted from a more

931
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:11,569
so the way I interpreted this is that

932
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:13,619
when the visitors come to see her

933
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:15,540
they're they're putting right things

934
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:18,660
that that changed when she was demoted

935
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:22,380
which means reborn into her particular

936
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:25,619
Body and Soul on Earth Here reactivating

937
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:29,160
those brain cells as she says so is this

938
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:31,740
why she has Insight that other people

939
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:34,680
don't with regards to saucer things is

940
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,560
this why she knows not to take the

941
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,839
psychic research seriously that is

942
00:40:44,770 --> 00:40:42,180
dangerous is this why she has a greater

943
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:44,780
understanding because she had this

944
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:47,700
adjustment done

945
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,660
that's the impression I get but to be

946
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,040
clear

947
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:54,960
there's much in this book that isn't

948
00:41:01,370 --> 00:40:58,740
very clear it is sometimes confusingly

949
00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:01,380
written recording some of the passages

950
00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:05,180
from it I found myself unable to really

951
00:41:11,329 --> 00:41:09,000
easily parse the sentences as I was

952
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:11,339
reading them it's a it's a strange book

953
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:13,380
and it could have used perhaps a little

954
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:16,380
more editing but we'll get to its

955
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:18,900
Creation in a bit so another thing that

956
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:22,020
strikes me is that basically she had a

957
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,220
psychic UFO Flying Saucer visitor father

958
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,079
however you want to say it experience

959
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:31,440
but she constantly warns against that

960
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:33,780
and she says that that she

961
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,060
um she she doesn't have a problem with

962
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:38,160
adamski saying don't listen to the

963
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,200
psychics as many of the uh the psychic

964
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:42,480
UFO people did

965
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,300
um she draws a distinction between what

966
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:47,040
she experienced with her frequencies

967
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:51,119
being adjusted and people getting these

968
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:54,960
supposed messages see she believed that

969
00:42:02,930 --> 00:41:58,800
what she experienced was more akin to um

970
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:02,940
to Paul on the the road to Damascus next

971
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:05,400
Mundo gets into some more of the

972
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:07,500
conflicts that she had with various

973
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:10,920
saucer people and casts them in a an

974
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:13,500
interesting sort of light

975
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:15,660
by the third time adamsky came back to

976
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:18,359
Detroit later in 1955. I heard him

977
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,980
attempting to turn my co-worker against

978
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,619
me or rather the father through him of

979
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,480
course and stating that I was not as

980
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:26,700
capable as they were others who had

981
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:28,380
proved themselves to me to be visitors

982
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:30,900
were likewise talking against me I began

983
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:32,760
to suspect some kind of plot underfoot

984
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,320
as I watched the others innocently

985
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:36,240
allowing themselves to be appealed to

986
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,060
and flattered

987
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:42,720
this gossip and backstabbing and behind

988
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:46,079
the back talk she acknowledges as you

989
00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:48,180
know her bad feelings about it initially

990
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,040
were because she'd always been taught it

991
00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:52,800
was wrong to talk about others behind

992
00:43:00,290 --> 00:42:55,260
their backs but really she said this was

993
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,300
a way for the father to let her know who

994
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:01,920
was against her and basically who could

995
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,540
be trusted it's part of this winnowing

996
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:06,780
out process that she titled the chapter

997
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,300
after there were other things that were

998
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,040
part of this winnowing out process as

999
00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:14,400
well that enabled her to see who was

1000
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:18,020
fully on her wavelength and who wasn't

1001
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,000
I found my morals questioned also as I

1002
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:22,560
reported on the universal marriage

1003
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,540
practiced on other planets where no vows

1004
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:26,339
to each other or legal forms have ever

1005
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:28,619
been necessary on other planets I

1006
00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:30,300
explained they find such a social

1007
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,700
ceremony unnecessary when two people are

1008
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,280
to be truly United nor do they find any

1009
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,440
legal contract which binds mismated

1010
00:43:42,290 --> 00:43:39,900
people advisable when the idea of true

1011
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,300
marriage makes both unnecessary thus

1012
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:44,640
again my ideas and statements were

1013
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:52,849
I can see why some people in in the

1014
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,500
1950s might find her idea a little bit

1015
00:44:01,730 --> 00:43:58,319
outrageous but it doesn't strike me as

1016
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,740
being outrageous from her perspective as

1017
00:44:08,329 --> 00:44:03,839
a woman who had gone through a divorce

1018
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,339
in 1950 when those procedures were much

1019
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:09,839
less

1020
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:16,460
than they are now and not to get to

1021
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:19,619
psychoanalyzy or psychoanalyze that's

1022
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:21,960
that's not a word but you know what I

1023
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,680
mean

1024
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:25,440
um I I kind of Wonder to what degree her

1025
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:28,680
ideas about Universal marriage are a

1026
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,460
reflection of her own perhaps uh desire

1027
00:44:37,609 --> 00:44:34,440
for a system like that that might have

1028
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,619
saved her a lot of a lot of grief in her

1029
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:39,839
own life and there are some other

1030
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,420
complaints about her that are a bit more

1031
00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:45,240
material in nature

1032
00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:47,339
next I was accused of making a living

1033
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,619
off my saucer work later my mental

1034
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:51,780
balance was questioned as well I could

1035
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,400
tell at once when somebody who doubted

1036
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,920
me came to me from his vibrations I

1037
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:57,599
could tell this from my sensitivity to

1038
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:00,599
his vibrations many doubted withdrew

1039
00:45:04,609 --> 00:45:02,940
some came back and withdrew again as I

1040
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,619
allowed it without question knowing

1041
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:06,720
however the time would come when the

1042
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,140
father would have to close the circle

1043
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:12,240
I don't get the idea from everything

1044
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:16,500
I've ever read about her or by her that

1045
00:45:23,050 --> 00:45:19,920
Laura was in this for monetary gain it's

1046
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:23,060
hard to make a living selling

1047
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:26,280
mimeographs stapled saucer books it it

1048
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:29,880
really doesn't it doesn't pay off but

1049
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:33,119
this passage also sort of gives this

1050
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:34,380
impression of this there's this

1051
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:37,560
winnowing out and it's this is a way

1052
00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:40,500
these they're questioning my Integrity

1053
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:42,780
they're questioning my mental state but

1054
00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:45,000
this is all just to show me who I can

1055
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:47,099
trust and who I can't and who is really

1056
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:50,520
on on my side and now we're getting

1057
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,619
towards the end of the interesting part

1058
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:55,140
of the book and I've got to be honest

1059
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,540
there's there's a lot in this section

1060
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,240
that is a lot of fun this uh this

1061
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:02,160
chapter is called my meeting with orthon

1062
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:04,500
and then she and subsequent chapters she

1063
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:08,099
gets into Lucifer and Satan and things

1064
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:10,740
like that and then it gets into the the

1065
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,520
sort of heavy metaphysical stuff that is

1066
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,740
is not very interesting if you found

1067
00:46:20,329 --> 00:46:18,960
Georgia damsky's Cosmic philosophy

1068
00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:20,339
interesting you might find this

1069
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:23,940
interesting I do not and um it I found

1070
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:27,000
it really really bogs things down so I I

1071
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:28,500
think we're gonna we're gonna finish up

1072
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,540
with this meeting orthon and orthons or

1073
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:35,040
I can't believe I can't believe this is

1074
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:37,740
a real sentence I'm saying orthon's life

1075
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:43,440
in Suburban Detroit in the 1950s it is

1076
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:46,800
it is outstanding so orthon had openly

1077
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:48,839
introduced himself to adamski in the

1078
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,180
desert back in 1952 right sort of the

1079
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:53,760
sort of Mind communication and things

1080
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:56,760
like that Mundo points out that that in

1081
00:47:01,849 --> 00:46:59,339
general the space Brothers cannot openly

1082
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,859
introduce themselves because

1083
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:04,200
um part of Humanity's learning and

1084
00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:07,140
conditioning process is is to seek out

1085
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:09,660
the space brothers and to recognize them

1086
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:13,319
when they are in Disguise and when she

1087
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,240
first came across orthon his um she says

1088
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,480
his his Earthly appearance that she saw

1089
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,040
would have quote almost completely

1090
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,160
belied his true identity

1091
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:28,800
he had his thick blonde hair cut in the

1092
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:30,420
square necked fashion of a juvenile

1093
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:33,000
exhibitionist he draped in the back or

1094
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:34,800
brushed into the pattern of what I could

1095
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:36,359
best describe as that of a duck's

1096
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,819
posterior where its wingtips touch

1097
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,800
his big blue eyes however were as

1098
00:47:44,569 --> 00:47:42,960
innocent as the babies but most people

1099
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:44,579
would never get past the haircut to

1100
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:46,859
notice them the haircut I suppose was

1101
00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:49,260
orthod's most effective disguise

1102
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:51,300
his brown suit of a very unusual

1103
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:53,220
material that seemed to have a living

1104
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,619
quality about it was cut however in the

1105
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:58,079
Zoot Suit style of The Day He Wore shoes

1106
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,420
with what we call built up heels certain

1107
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,700
to raise the eyebrows he sat with an

1108
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,500
empty bottle of beer in front of him all

1109
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:06,960
afternoon with an unlighted cigarette in

1110
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,609
there's a lot to unpack here let's start

1111
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:15,680
off with the fact that the terminology

1112
00:48:21,849 --> 00:48:18,900
is is very strange

1113
00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:21,859
um like hair like a teenaged or juvenile

1114
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:24,839
exhibitionist I don't think she means

1115
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:27,180
exhibitionist in the sense that

1116
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,880
I would use the word exhibitionist I

1117
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:31,200
think she probably means something more

1118
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:34,020
like show-off like a a juvenile show-off

1119
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,980
and the hairstyle like a a duck's

1120
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:39,839
posterior

1121
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,880
um with where its wingtips touch you

1122
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:44,640
mean a ducktail haircut is that what

1123
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:45,900
we're talking about because I think

1124
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:48,720
that's probably what you're talking

1125
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:49,800
about

1126
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:54,240
also the suit uh the Zoot Suit style of

1127
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:55,319
the day

1128
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,240
which day

1129
00:49:02,990 --> 00:48:59,099
um I'm not sure where zoot suits a thing

1130
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:03,000
in the 50s I I didn't think they were

1131
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:05,160
um they might have been in Detroit I'm

1132
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:06,420
not going to

1133
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:10,500
try to track down Detroit Zoo revivals

1134
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:13,920
of the Cold War uh right now but that

1135
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:16,200
struck me as kind of odd but there's

1136
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,839
also this this sense that

1137
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:20,880
oh the high-heeled shoes the built up

1138
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:22,680
heels and the shoes that that attracted

1139
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:26,280
that attracted looks um it sounds like

1140
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:28,920
orthon is kind of a a weirdo hipster

1141
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,560
just kind of hanging out with his empty

1142
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:34,260
bottle of beer and his his unlit

1143
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:38,280
cigarette so Laura recognized orthon

1144
00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:42,599
because her um her soul mind recognized

1145
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:44,579
him and even before they spoke to each

1146
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:46,920
other at this at this meeting they had

1147
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:50,760
an unspoken connection they caught each

1148
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:52,740
other's eye and nodded to each other at

1149
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,079
various points during this uh during

1150
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:57,420
this meeting that he appeared at and at

1151
00:50:04,130 --> 00:49:59,460
one point he was standing next to her

1152
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,140
nodding toward a girl that she that she

1153
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:07,440
realized was the woman who quote would

1154
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:09,180
be taking my place when I left the

1155
00:50:15,069 --> 00:50:11,240
planet sometime in the future

1156
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:15,079
I I like her successor it's a very

1157
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:20,099
strange way to say that but the big

1158
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,160
question is she's at a meeting George

1159
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:25,260
adamski is there other saucer p people

1160
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,740
are there and she's saying orthon is at

1161
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:29,760
the meeting

1162
00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:32,339
did anybody else see orthon at this

1163
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:33,480
thing

1164
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,940
the next day adamski told my co-workers

1165
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:37,680
that orthon had been at the convention

1166
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,420
but was surprised when they told him

1167
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,280
that I had recognized and had already

1168
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:43,859
informed them of the fact adamsky

1169
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:46,140
however has never publicly admitted that

1170
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:48,660
orthon was at the convention later when

1171
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,460
asking orthon if he had met me according

1172
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,619
to adamsky's later Publications he

1173
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:54,900
denied that he had met me personally in

1174
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:57,000
other words adamsky was given the kind

1175
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:58,920
of answer that he unconsciously perhaps

1176
00:51:02,569 --> 00:51:01,140
wanted to hear and especially if he had

1177
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:02,579
not yet learned to release any

1178
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,680
developments to the father who knows

1179
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,020
what everybody has done as a part of his

1180
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:11,089
I would have loved to have been there

1181
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:13,380
when adamski was was telling the other

1182
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:16,140
sorcerers that orthon was here at our

1183
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:18,300
meeting yesterday and they just sort of

1184
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,280
looked back and was like yeah we know

1185
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,440
Laura Laura told us she saw him that

1186
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:24,300
would have been a wonderful moment but

1187
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:27,480
we also get or um adamsky kind of

1188
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:29,700
throwing uh throwing Laura under the bus

1189
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:31,800
here as far as her meeting with orthon

1190
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:34,140
goes later Publications saying no no

1191
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,000
orthon orthene didn't show up I asked

1192
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,400
orthon and uh and he said he wasn't

1193
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:40,079
there that's

1194
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:45,240
a bit a bit Shady Laura says that this

1195
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:46,500
incident

1196
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,740
um sort of convinced her that that this

1197
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:51,599
is this is the very kind way she says it

1198
00:51:56,809 --> 00:51:54,480
that quote adamski was not always

1199
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:56,819
hitting the father frequency in his mind

1200
00:52:03,970 --> 00:51:58,859
although the father surely spoke through

1201
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:03,980
him at times very very clearly saying

1202
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:07,319
adamski was not infallible and he could

1203
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,800
misinterpret the messages that he was

1204
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,800
given

1205
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,420
orthon would hang out in Detroit he

1206
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:18,240
enjoyed being with the people in the uh

1207
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:21,480
the saucer group that Laura ran but he

1208
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:25,020
had to take steps in order to disguise

1209
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:27,720
himself from the humans

1210
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:29,880
continued to be interested in our group

1211
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,280
as well as other local groups in order

1212
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,319
to hide his beautiful translucent skin

1213
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:36,480
however he had disguised himself as a

1214
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:38,819
woman in order to wear a makeup base on

1215
00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:39,720
his face

1216
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:41,819
if he were recognized his mission of

1217
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:43,319
being a moderator sent by the father

1218
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,480
would be nullified we would be too

1219
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,480
excited or rather would be our atoms

1220
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,880
that are us to receive the energies in a

1221
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:53,339
balanced fashion a more gradual approach

1222
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,559
often including denying the truth had to

1223
00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:57,839
be used visitors sometimes take the

1224
00:53:03,230 --> 00:52:59,940
negative roles and arguments that they

1225
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,240
often start themselves orthon smoked her

1226
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:05,040
cigarette and took a social drink as

1227
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,260
well even claimed to receive mental

1228
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:09,359
messages from her boyfriend in outer

1229
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:16,730
this struck me as very odd because if

1230
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:19,020
orthon was able to be the guy with the

1231
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:21,000
ducktail and the platform shoes and the

1232
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:24,900
Zoot Suit with the the beer bottle and

1233
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:28,200
cigarette at the saucer meeting why

1234
00:53:35,329 --> 00:53:31,619
why wasn't he dressed as a woman then to

1235
00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:35,339
hide his beautiful translucent skin

1236
00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:40,140
it it doesn't make sense it I mean yes I

1237
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,839
know it's a contacty story these things

1238
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,880
generally did not make any sense but

1239
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:47,280
this seems like something that needed to

1240
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:50,520
be explained a little bit

1241
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:52,440
but eventually you know he's he's

1242
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:54,059
hanging out there dressed as a woman

1243
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:57,420
doing saucer stuff and eventually Laura

1244
00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:59,339
realized that the time had come to

1245
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,420
reveal

1246
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:01,980
locally

1247
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:04,859
to the people on her mailing list the

1248
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:06,900
name that that orthon had taken

1249
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:10,260
basically to out whoever was orthon and

1250
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:12,300
explained this to him but she said that

1251
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:14,460
others had already recognized this

1252
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:17,940
person as as orthon um her co-founder

1253
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:20,099
Connie uh co-founder of the planetary

1254
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:22,740
Center Carmela falzone

1255
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:25,500
um John markser Hurt one of her sons and

1256
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,660
uh her friend Jim Wales

1257
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,780
um who she often worked with they

1258
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:33,599
um they recognized who he was but she

1259
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:35,940
said that immediately after quote many

1260
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,980
who had hesitated about totally denying

1261
00:54:41,809 --> 00:54:40,079
me and my understanding now had their

1262
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:41,819
proof that I was wrong and recognizing

1263
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:44,220
orthon as a visitor They seized this

1264
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:46,200
situation in order to find some excuse

1265
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:49,020
for denying the validity of my work so

1266
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,440
she reveals about about orthon and

1267
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:55,680
people use this against her and they

1268
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:58,619
also tried to debunk her claims that

1269
00:55:02,329 --> 00:55:00,660
this person was orthon some had known

1270
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:02,339
the individual whom I was saying was

1271
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:04,380
orthon for several years since the

1272
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:06,119
beginning of the local salsa research

1273
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:08,520
when she began attending lectures

1274
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:10,140
proving nothing

1275
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:12,180
some went to orthon's home where she

1276
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:14,460
lived with her grandmother asking him

1277
00:55:18,589 --> 00:55:16,680
Point Blank if he was orthon unaware he

1278
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:18,599
would have to deny it especially if

1279
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:19,859
there were further missions the father

1280
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:22,140
had in mind for him while he posed as

1281
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:24,119
that particular personality

1282
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:26,099
I have so many questions

1283
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:28,680
um my biggest question is I would like

1284
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:30,420
to know the name of this person who was

1285
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,099
orthon I think that would be interesting

1286
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,500
see what I can find out about them but

1287
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:37,260
the the bigger question in my mind is

1288
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:38,579
was

1289
00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:48,540
of it

1290
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:49,220
um

1291
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:52,859
if so there's a whole lot going on sort

1292
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,319
of with subtexts of hidden personalities

1293
00:55:59,690 --> 00:55:57,960
and and dimensions and and revealing

1294
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,700
that and people being uncomfortable with

1295
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,160
it that's that's fascinating and there's

1296
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:05,040
there's other elements of it that

1297
00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:07,500
um are also very interesting on an

1298
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,800
interpersonal basis such as this

1299
00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:12,900
the individual who I've said was orthon

1300
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:14,819
helped a well-known saucer researcher

1301
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:17,460
unbeknownst to himself rebalance his

1302
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,740
negative electrons with his overactive

1303
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,319
protons through meditation whereby sex

1304
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:24,960
had become repellent to him later the

1305
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:26,760
researcher made a normal adjustment and

1306
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:29,819
married orthon dated him previous to his

1307
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:32,460
normal marriage as a woman but only to

1308
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:33,900
be in close proximity with the

1309
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:37,680
individual not to be intimate

1310
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:40,200
Laura goes on to explain that orthon

1311
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,640
helped get the word right rebalance this

1312
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,319
person who was this man who was a

1313
00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:48,720
homosexual instead of condemning him so

1314
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,220
so basically

1315
00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:52,559
orthon adjusted him so he could enjoy

1316
00:56:59,230 --> 00:56:56,220
married life with his wife it's very

1317
00:57:01,849 --> 00:56:59,240
very strange but very

1318
00:57:05,650 --> 00:57:01,859
1963. also

1319
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,660
um and and more open she says and

1320
00:57:10,849 --> 00:57:07,440
Friendly's probably not the right word

1321
00:57:13,069 --> 00:57:10,859
tolerant in a way not tolerant as we

1322
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:13,079
might like tolerance to be demonstrated

1323
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,540
but she was very clear that that orthon

1324
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:18,000
you know understood and and adjusted him

1325
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:20,460
rather than condemning him

1326
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:24,480
um but the the dating while orthon is is

1327
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:27,780
living as a woman with this man who

1328
00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:29,460
needs to be adjusted to enjoy married

1329
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:31,319
life with his wife but it's not dating

1330
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,420
to be intimate is just to be in his

1331
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:35,599
presence

1332
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:40,619
I uh part of me wonders if there was

1333
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,720
some kind of of Epic soap opera level

1334
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:47,760
interpersonal stuff going on in this

1335
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:50,819
Flying Saucer club scene and this story

1336
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:54,240
is is sort of the way that Laura sort of

1337
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:56,760
processes it or presents it because it's

1338
00:58:01,849 --> 00:58:00,300
it's very it's very strange but while I

1339
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,859
would like to hear more about that story

1340
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:03,599
and about some of these personalities

1341
00:58:08,930 --> 00:58:06,720
involved Laura does make it clear that

1342
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:08,940
that orthon is going to spill the beans

1343
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:14,210
orthon will

1344
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,960
will hook me up publicly but first

1345
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:18,000
private private beyond my small group of

1346
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:19,920
co-workers who knew he has never denied

1347
00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:21,540
anything to my face

1348
00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:23,640
God backed him up by a proven publicly

1349
00:58:29,690 --> 00:58:25,800
of his efforts to help Humanity before

1350
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,549
oh just a little footnote in another

1351
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:34,079
section she claims that orthon is is

1352
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,619
Enoch from the Hebrew Bible so there you

1353
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:38,640
go

1354
00:58:48,530 --> 00:58:45,660
into her theories about Lucifer and that

1355
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:48,540
a current figure we've talked about in

1356
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:51,660
this episode is actually the present day

1357
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,660
incarnation of Lucifer but he's been the

1358
00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:57,359
Incarnation of a lot of people over the

1359
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:59,339
years at least I think that's how it

1360
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,660
goes

1361
00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:02,819
Georgia damsky has never denied my

1362
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:04,740
statement that I understand him to have

1363
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,440
been Lucifer of the son reawakened at

1364
00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:09,119
the Lesser frequency of being as Adam

1365
00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:12,359
reborn as Noah Moses David Elijah

1366
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:14,940
improving and rising in vibration each

1367
00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:16,020
lifetime

1368
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:18,540
going to Venus alive in a fiery Chariot

1369
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:21,420
as Elijah reborn back here from Venus as

1370
00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:24,180
Jesus neutronized and going by spaceship

1371
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:27,299
to the Sun Alive reborn back here as

1372
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:29,940
adamski for this final time around as

1373
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:32,520
our examination test not his to be

1374
00:59:37,309 --> 00:59:34,799
neutronized once again and to leave by

1375
00:59:39,289 --> 00:59:37,319
spaceship for arrest to be reborn back

1376
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:39,299
here as a little girl in order not to

1377
00:59:43,609 --> 00:59:41,460
perpetuate his imbalance thinking any

1378
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,619
further his having been male in most of

1379
00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:45,780
his lifetimes and not having been born a

1380
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,540
child maturing and doing so neutronized

1381
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:50,640
to the sexless stage and leaving for

1382
00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,859
good having helped Those whom he allowed

1383
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,599
to follow him into demotion to this

1384
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:56,640
planet back to the stage of graduating

1385
01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:02,930
now I know in these circles Lucifer is a

1386
01:00:08,569 --> 01:00:05,579
a figure of of Free Will

1387
01:00:13,390 --> 01:00:08,579
um as opposed to like predestination and

1388
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:13,400
sort of things like that but given the

1389
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:15,960
somewhat tendentious relationship

1390
01:00:20,990 --> 01:00:18,780
between Laura and adamski

1391
01:00:23,450 --> 01:00:21,000
um saying oh yeah he used to be Lucifer

1392
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:23,460
and he's never denied it and I even gave

1393
01:00:28,270 --> 01:00:25,079
him my whole mailing list so he could

1394
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:28,280
deny it to everybody it's kind of

1395
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,660
interesting and

1396
01:00:34,010 --> 01:00:32,640
um I kind of wonder what their

1397
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:34,020
relationship was like there are some

1398
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:35,460
other things that

1399
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:38,640
where she's talked about how he was he

1400
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:40,260
hated women he was very prejudiced

1401
01:00:47,569 --> 01:00:43,079
against women talked bad about women a

1402
01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:47,579
lot was kind of a gropey womanizer at

1403
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,380
various points

1404
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:51,440
um

1405
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:53,700
it's interesting to see somebody sort of

1406
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,220
fall away from adamski but not so much

1407
01:01:01,609 --> 01:00:58,559
that they have to reevaluate the things

1408
01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:01,619
that they are saying themselves another

1409
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:03,660
interesting thing that Laura talks about

1410
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:07,079
is The Reincarnation between

1411
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:08,640
um between different lives as you go

1412
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:09,960
through these different lives and how

1413
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,359
you will be born as a man or and then

1414
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:14,160
born as a woman and you can alternate

1415
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:17,700
these things and she relates this to

1416
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,640
some things that go on in society

1417
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,619
we often see men who would like to live

1418
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:24,480
as women and the opposite and these

1419
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:26,280
individuals are often scorned especially

1420
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:28,680
when they demonstrate these desires they

1421
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:30,299
are only yearning for a chance to grow

1422
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:34,200
and to experience these reincarnations

1423
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:37,920
I think this is a very interesting and

1424
01:01:44,809 --> 01:01:42,480
kind of maybe compassionate within her

1425
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:44,819
own sphere of thinking about things as a

1426
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:47,819
way to sort of understand people who

1427
01:01:54,170 --> 01:01:50,880
want to live as a different gender and

1428
01:01:55,789 --> 01:01:54,180
again this is published in 1963. this is

1429
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:55,799
this is

1430
01:01:58,329 --> 01:01:56,400
um

1431
01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:58,339
this is not

1432
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:01,380
usual stuff for the time but between

1433
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:04,980
this idea and the orthon story about him

1434
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:08,460
having to live as a woman I wonder who

1435
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,680
there was in Laura's life who might have

1436
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:12,960
been going through

1437
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:16,079
some of these some of these issues or

1438
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:19,680
feelings because I mean I deep down I

1439
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:22,559
don't think space brother orthon was in

1440
01:02:27,230 --> 01:02:25,319
metro Detroit living as a woman but I

1441
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:27,240
think something was going on and she's

1442
01:02:35,569 --> 01:02:30,720
sort of dealing with it through framing

1443
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:35,579
things in this contacty sort of way one

1444
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:39,180
final thing the last Mundo idea we're

1445
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:42,480
going to consider is her method or

1446
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:45,900
theory of how to determine if somebody

1447
01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:49,380
is the reborn soul of somebody you know

1448
01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:51,299
who has died

1449
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:53,940
the FBI cooperated with me in studying

1450
01:02:58,030 --> 01:02:56,040
this matter a project you as an

1451
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:58,040
individual could also take upon yourself

1452
01:03:02,450 --> 01:03:00,660
if one of your relatives was killed

1453
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:02,460
while in the armed surface

1454
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:04,260
you should take the Fingerprints of any

1455
01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:06,420
child in the family who you have felt

1456
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:08,520
could be this dead individual in reborn

1457
01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:11,460
State simply use an ink pad and send to

1458
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,319
the branch of service he was in with his

1459
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,359
identity and asked them to forward it to

1460
01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:17,520
the FBI in Washington to obtain a

1461
01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:20,280
comparison it must be done this way the

1462
01:03:23,809 --> 01:03:22,440
FBI will cooperate but they must have

1463
01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:23,819
the request from the armed service

1464
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:26,760
before they will be able to do so in my

1465
01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:28,920
own instance however the FBI was unable

1466
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:31,319
to locate any matching print the father

1467
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,480
not yet ready for the idea to be sprung

1468
01:03:38,450 --> 01:03:36,000
on the public I'm to continue this idea

1469
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:38,460
as a preliminary effort however so that

1470
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,680
when the proof does come through others

1471
01:03:46,970 --> 01:03:42,720
will be informed and can discuss it with

1472
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:50,089
that seems a suitably bonker's idea to

1473
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,500
end on that you can track people through

1474
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:54,240
their reincarnations

1475
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,119
via fingerprints maybe this is a common

1476
01:04:02,930 --> 01:03:59,760
idea I'm not up on a lot of past life

1477
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:02,940
stuff but it seems

1478
01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:05,940
pretty impossible and I I do appreciate

1479
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:07,740
that she acknowledged that when she

1480
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:10,799
tried it the the FBI it didn't come up

1481
01:04:17,329 --> 01:04:15,119
with a match so what can we say about

1482
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:17,339
Laura Mundo

1483
01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:19,140
um we may be revisiting her in the

1484
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:20,220
future

1485
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:22,380
um I would love to track down some of

1486
01:04:26,809 --> 01:04:23,880
her writing some of her other writings

1487
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:26,819
uh they there's one uh called Earth girl

1488
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:31,380
from 1967 which she says shares intimate

1489
01:04:36,890 --> 01:04:34,319
details about the Flying Saucer scene in

1490
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,900
Detroit and I cannot find this if

1491
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,880
anybody has a copy of Laura Mundo's

1492
01:04:43,370 --> 01:04:40,319
Earth girl

1493
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:43,380
um hit me up and we will

1494
01:04:47,690 --> 01:04:45,299
um we'll we'll try to work out something

1495
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:47,700
it's in three libraries according to

1496
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:51,119
worldcat uh the nearest one is I think

1497
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,180
uh nearest one to me is Penn State which

1498
01:04:58,849 --> 01:04:56,400
is gosh probably like a seven hour drive

1499
01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:58,859
might be worth it might be worth it to

1500
01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:00,780
uh check that out I might take a field

1501
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,260
trip out there but um boy I need to uh

1502
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:06,720
ask around but the problem is

1503
01:05:13,849 --> 01:05:09,660
she published these books herself

1504
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,859
um and it was uh difficult to keep lots

1505
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,359
of copies in print when you are

1506
01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:17,520
basically having them printed yourself

1507
01:05:25,309 --> 01:05:18,839
there's no

1508
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:25,319
it's it's difficult so one of the things

1509
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,640
we do have

1510
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:28,319
um as a

1511
01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:31,200
result of some research that's been done

1512
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:33,000
at the gray Barker collection in West

1513
01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:35,160
Virginia is some of the correspondence

1514
01:05:41,450 --> 01:05:38,460
between gray Barker and Laura Mundo as

1515
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:41,460
she was preparing the manuscript and

1516
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:44,480
um and gray was putting it together

1517
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,460
she told Grace she did not want any

1518
01:05:52,130 --> 01:05:49,200
copyright anybody to own the copyright

1519
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:52,140
she wanted it to be free to reproduce

1520
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:55,200
and she didn't want any royalties from

1521
01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:57,180
it because material things were not

1522
01:06:02,210 --> 01:05:59,400
important and she should focus on her

1523
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:02,220
saucer work and gray replied that um

1524
01:06:05,809 --> 01:06:03,900
he's not going to get into royalties at

1525
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:05,819
this time with her but he strongly

1526
01:06:11,150 --> 01:06:07,980
suggests that she takes the royalties to

1527
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,160
use them to support her saucer work in

1528
01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:12,960
the end she was

1529
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:15,540
um she was not happy with uh what gray

1530
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:18,420
Barker did with the manuscript she felt

1531
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,180
that there were some things that he left

1532
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,520
out at the end some appendices that she

1533
01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:25,440
wanted in there from the correspondence

1534
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:27,480
it's not entirely clear what those are

1535
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:29,940
one of them was is a transcript of a

1536
01:06:34,730 --> 01:06:32,400
George damsky talk I think and and gray

1537
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:34,740
was apologetic but said look we had to

1538
01:06:40,370 --> 01:06:37,200
keep this to 80 Pages or else we could

1539
01:06:41,809 --> 01:06:40,380
not make any money selling it so it's

1540
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:41,819
interesting that there was some back and

1541
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:44,220
forth and we don't have a a full picture

1542
01:06:50,329 --> 01:06:46,799
of what else gray might have changed

1543
01:06:52,849 --> 01:06:50,339
Laura is a fascinating person and a uh

1544
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,859
somebody needs to write a biography of

1545
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:53,760
her

1546
01:06:59,450 --> 01:06:55,980
um because she's this

1547
01:07:03,109 --> 01:06:59,460
single mom middle aged single not quite

1548
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,119
middle-aged single mom uh in in 1950s as

1549
01:07:09,470 --> 01:07:06,240
Troy raising two teenage sons and

1550
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:09,480
running a a pretty interesting saucer

1551
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:14,520
Empire and when you read about her she's

1552
01:07:19,010 --> 01:07:16,920
usually mentioned as the promoter for

1553
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,020
adamsky's Detroit stuff

1554
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:21,599
um there's not much about her out there

1555
01:07:29,809 --> 01:07:25,440
and it's fascinating that she doesn't

1556
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:29,819
get more more play I think if her books

1557
01:07:35,289 --> 01:07:31,920
were published in a more durable format

1558
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,299
than the sort of paper covered stapled

1559
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:37,260
sort of thing

1560
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:37,920
um

1561
01:07:41,089 --> 01:07:39,240
it's hard to

1562
01:07:43,549 --> 01:07:41,099
hard to know much if you don't have the

1563
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:43,559
the sources originally and

1564
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:46,319
she was in Detroit not California and

1565
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:48,180
California was the place you want to be

1566
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:52,079
right so that's Laura Mundo I'm sure we

1567
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:54,690
will see more of her down the road

1568
01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:02,870
thanks for listening remember to send in

1569
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:04,440
your questions and comments via the

1570
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:06,180
usual channels and we'll be addressing

1571
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,520
those next time our associate producer

1572
01:08:13,210 --> 01:08:10,799
is Simpson J Hanover III and the saucer

1573
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:13,220
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1574
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,720
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1575
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:18,239
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